CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES

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CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES

Hi, Tina. Thank you for having me.
Oh, you’re welcome. I’m so excited to have a synopsis of your story. Fred comes to us from beautiful Toronto, Canada. That’s on the east coast of North America. He is an aspiring author. He’s working on a book currently called the summer I died 20 times volume one. He is a recovering from all of this trauma that he’s had in his life. He’s a motivational speaker. He helps people inform people inspire people about his journey that he has had. And I’m really excited and having Fred on our show, to talk about his real raw conversations that we’re going to have today. Thank you for coming on, Fred.

My pleasure. You make me sound so impressive.
You are impressive. You are thank you your story. Everybody has a story. And hopefully, you know, you’re able to reach out to those others. Maybe others have experienced something similar, but they’re not really understanding it or, or what really happened. So I’m very excited to hear how your journey started.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. Well, my journey actually started at birth, believe it or not, that’s not meant to be a joke. I have what they believe, I believe they sorry, I’m getting a little tongue tied. They believe I had a stroke just before just after birth. And it wasn’t diagnosed till I was in my mid 30s. So I had all these things going on that, you know, back in the 70s. Nobody paid any attention to. So I was I’ve had a challenging life, right from the beginning. And then I had concussions from playing sports, rugby, and hockey and football, and all those things that sort of compounded those issues. But the real craziness got started in summer of 2009. And that’s when I started what they thought was just passing out randomly. So I would be walking down the street and then boom, I’d be unconscious. And I probably went to the hospital 15 times. It took over four months before they diagnosed me correctly.

And in keeping with the theme of the show, there’s just no way to prepare for an event like that, like your your life is just so disrupted. But you also find out who your friends are. Yes, you know, the people that that step up. But as we talked before, I used to be a financial planner. And it’s easy to make plans to say there’s going to be this money coming in. But there’s nobody that I know of that’s ever made the plans to say, Okay, you’re going to pay this bill, and you’re going to take care of this and you’re going to take care of that, which is simply what your app is designed to do. I think that’s a fantastic, fantastic idea.
No, thank you. So and you only notice that when something occurs in your life like that right? To understand. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So during this four months in the summer of 2009 what we eventually found found out was, I have something called a full AV block, atrial ventricular block, which is the electrical system of your heart that tells your atria and your ventricle visual display there. Yeah, how, how to beat. And if the signal from those two centers or those two chambers gets interrupted, you’ll have either arrhythmias or in my case, your heart stops completely. And when your heart stops completely, your blood pressure goes to zero. And, you know, whatever position you’re in, you become dead, is that more of a stroke or a heart attack than Fred? It’s actually neither. It’s strokes and heart attacks often come from blockages.

This is a pure electrical, Something blew the fuse and nothing’s going to conduct anymore. And, and that’s what happened to me. So eventually happened to me at least 20 times that we know of, there’s probably times it happened when I was asleep and didn’t realize this, it happened to me because I kept recovering. Even today, they have no idea why this happened to me, when I ended up on a cardiac ward. I was like, by far the youngest person on the ward. And a couple of reasons this happened was doctors saw a fat white male. So they just assumed it was a heart attack. And they kept testing me to prove it was a heart attack and not looking for anything else. And they kept ignoring the fact that I had cracked my head on whatever was the hardest thing in the vicinity of where I collapsed. So you know, commercial countertops and washroom, curbs, street grates anything. So I had all this brain damage from falling question questions. And plus from not getting oxygen to my brain. And this is layered on top of damage to my brain from when I was a child and teenager playing sports. So yeah, nobody can plan for this kind of combination of events?
Did did you have more than one memory of going back to the five D world of of dying, so to speak? Did you have multitude of those visions or one big vision?

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. One, one big vision. And I actually feel kind of ripped off. Because if you have read or seen a number of these near death experiences, that people come with these lovely visions of, you know, come to the light and the warmth, and you see old friends and, and stuff like that. And I got none of that. It’s like so unfair. You think, you know, one out of the 20 or one out of the 40? Would like, you know, shouting? Yeah. It was nothing. What? Or maybe it happened. I just don’t remember that part of it. What’s what’s more distinct for me? Is the coming back to life Park, and which has been the most awful experience I’ve ever had in my life, which, yes, it’s a little contrarian, right? It’s the greatest thing that’s happened to you. But it’s also the worst thing that’s happened to you. Because if I hadn’t gone through that experience, we wouldn’t be here talking. So you remember going into it. Not through it. But you remember coming back out of it is that yes. So I had these events. Yeah. How far into it? Did you go?

Pleat blackness, okay.
So I physically what I felt was what I now call a brain quake, so that I now know that after my heart stopped and the blood drains out of your brain, I felt like my brain was shaking. Like my brain. It was an isolated earthquake. And then your vision narrows and then you’re gone. And, you know, that’s happened to be lying down. It’s happened to me walking. It’s happened to me on the operating table. So, and that’s, but it doesn’t take you any further than the blog. weakness.

No. Which maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe it’s a bad thing. But I wish it had taken me somewhere to give me some comparable experiences. I don’t know if you know Sam Kinison the late comedian. He had a crazy story he used to be maybe a Baptist minister or something like that, who became a comedian. And he he died in a car crash and witnesses there said he was having a conversation while he was dying. And it looked like he was actually talking to God to outsiders, so, so I nothing like that. You don’t remember anyways?

Yeah, that I don’t remember. And hey, I’ve got brain damage. So who knows? Yeah, so the, what I remember very distinctly was coming back to life. And it was like, I was buried. And in the ground kind of visual.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. Under something. Yeah, I’m not sure. But I certainly couldn’t breathe. And then I started seeing like, fireworks. But fireworks doesn’t really describe it as intensity as it was just, you know, explosions everywhere. And I would feel every explosion, like it was physically painful. And loud. And this went on for I don’t know, how long because I was kind of dead. Yeah. And yeah, it was is so, so uncomfortable. I wouldn’t wish this experience on anybody. But that was, you know, I can imagine if you’re drowning, drowning, and you’re, you’re struggling for breath, of something of that scenario, and all these other things going on. Like to you so painful. So if I had gone to heaven, I’m guessing I was getting rejected pretty forcefully. That’s, I don’t know how.

Yeah, you feel like you’re getting shot back by explosions.

Yeah, sorry, kid. You must be this tall to get on the ride. And you’re not tall enough right now?
Yeah. Get out of here. You’re done. Yeah.

So they eventually figured out what was wrong with with me and that my heart was failing. And they, they gave me a pacemaker. But it, it was a fight to get that I had somebody, a close friend of the family, tell me over the phone, what was going wrong with me. And the doctors here in this particular hospital, wouldn’t even talk to this person. And they, they just ignored him. And because they ignored him. I had probably five or six more of these episodes while I was in the hospital. So they didn’t. When you don’t understand your own situation, it’s really hard to put together everything happening. Yeah. So even after they told me I had diagnosed going to have the surgery. I really didn’t understand what was going on. Because I was so battered by that point.

And you can’t really explain this to other people. Because they they just have no concept when you when you have a brain injury, or any of the non visible injuries. People have a really hard time conceptualizing what’s going on in your mind. So I knew I was slurring my words. I knew I was forgetting a lot of words. I went, I’m Jewish. And so we do our three prayers daily. When I went to do my evening prayers, I realized I could no longer read Hebrew. My brain had been battered so much, it kicked an entire language out of my head. So that’s, yeah, it still hasn’t fully come back. It’s probably about 80% of what it was. But, you know, your brain is resilient, but it needs help to be resilient. So and it’s just sort of by fluke that one of the main tools that I’ve used, wasn’t introduced to me, and we talked about it A little bit before but intermittent fasting.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. There’s so many things it does for your body besides helping you lose weight.
Yes, and the keto diet, which is mainly the MCT oil that your brain actually needs. I think it should be pushed more to help survivors as well as people going through brain issues because it extremely helpful.
The Omega threes are becoming more and more identifiable as such a benefit. I don’t know if you’ve heard Dr. Rhonda Patrick, she’s got an amazing podcast. It’s too long, though. It’s like three, three and a half hours, very high level science. But she recently had on a researcher who said, a huge percentage of the people who died from COVID were very low in omega three fatty acids. Now it’s interesting correlation. Yeah. So the same with Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s and those people. So you’re right, most people should have more, we really have to, we’d have to eat like half a whale a week to get everything you need. So they’re working really hard on trying to find artificial ways to create the Omega threes. Because the fish don’t produce their own omega threes. It’s the planktons and things that they eat, which produce the Omega threes, which get into the fish systems.

And whales need it to survive Absolutely. healthy, healthy wise, did. So, when you were at the hospital, you don’t remember when you came out of it to what degree of movement you went back to, because you don’t remember how far you went to in depth. You only know from what the doctor told, you know, up?

Well, I remember everything, the doctors really didn’t tell me anything. Because they were, they were just focused on either proving I had a heart attack. Or once they figured out that wasn’t happening, and it was the electrical issue. All they cared about was fixing the electrical issue. So you know, one of the challenges in our medical system is doctors don’t like to be taught back to, and they believe their God. So maybe I did see God, or a number of gods who didn’t want to listen to anybody. Yeah. So it was, it was terrible. But I know when I was leaving the hospital, a couple of the nurses came up to me. And he said, You know, it’s amazing, you’re alive. You scared the shit out of us. Scared the shit out of you just scared the shit out of myself.

That’s amazing. Isn’t that when they when they think how many times that these actually save someone? That yeah, they must. Yeah, or don’t? Yeah. Must be crazy.
They they should have given me a temporary pacemaker. And they deem that too risky. And they told me, we’ll be fine. We have the the electrical panels, you know, that you see on TV all the time clear. That wouldn’t have saved me because I needed a continuous signal not a jolt. So. And there was a couple times I woke up in the hospital to wake up seeing them about to hit me with the paddles. Oh, my goodness. It was That’s a scary thought in itself.
It is. But again, it was a good sign that that I was not dead anymore. So I should remember the I think we had an ECG strip of at least three and a half minutes where my heart stopped, which is pretty substantial, you know, certainly qualifies for clinically dead.

Absolutely. And it’s just too bad that you don’t have the experience of talking with anybody in those three minutes.
Well, maybe I was and and maybe me doing things like this podcast and writing my book where the instructions I was given. From that time, I can’t remember. You know, this is your purpose in life. You have to go out there and tell people that they have to learn to advocate for themselves more strongly in the hospital, and ask for second opinions and third opinions because nobody knows your body as well as you do. And if you tell somebody that and they’re not listening to you, you have to find somebody else to listen. So maybe that was my conversation. Mm hmm.
Because it’s very, it’s in ground in your head now. So it’s probably was Do you have a vision yourself of what it would be like? Passing through or trying to pass through?

Um, yes. And I can’t say that I died. But I absolutely was taken. At one point, when I was falling off to sleep points. And I had a lady was standing talking to someone. It looked like another female because she had a long dress on.
I don’t do that doesn’t mean anything.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. Yeah, I guess I don’t, I didn’t recognize her. But the lady that was there with her back turned to me, when I came up to it was all like, she looked like she had one of those bonnets on her head. And she had a long flowy dress, I don’t know what era that would have come out of, you know, but that’s what I saw, with a big bow at the back, and a big bonnet at the top. And she was it was all white. And she even had gloves on her hand. And she reached out for mine. And she took me on this path. And we actually skipped I mean, it sounds crazy. But we skipped was wonderful. It was it was like if you were gonna die, it was like, there was like a meadow on each side. And we skip through this pathway. And, and it was like, she was taking me somewhere. Like, I felt like it was in Wizard of Oz or something. And remembering to it was I couldn’t have made it up for what I saw. Because I don’t have that kind of brain to to visualize that kind of thing. So yeah, it was beautiful. And we we skip down this pathway like kids. And him she was so nice and, and very healing, it was like an angel but not in an angel costume, you know. So that that’s my only experience that I’ve had that I can relate to what it would feel like so coming from a an Orthodox Jewish perspective.

We we don’t generally believe the, I get a disclaimer check with your local orthodox rabbi. To confirm these things, angels perform missions in general. And Raphael is the angel of healing. But we don’t believe the whole wing things and the halos and, and stuff like that they can appear to us as whatever they need to appear as. So you know, you could be an angel, for all I know, actually, I think the work you’re doing you probably are. So
I think they would call it a heel work or something as such, and possibly what you’ve been probably told to do is to go get your words of wisdom out there.

Yeah, I don’t doubt that. We have a lot of ancient texts that talk about heaven. And you know, a lot of it really revolves around you get to sit at throne of God. Well, he or a lot of the great rabbis from these goodbye, teach classes. We don’t get a lot of the, you know, you get whatever you want and float around on clouds and eat cream cheese, and if you remember those little commercials, so it’s a different perspective. It’s a less, I guess, are more utilitarian. This is a practical thing that happens to you. And the more pious you are, the closer you get to sit to God. And the less pious you know, you’ll be up in the standing room only, I guess.

Yeah, true. Just not in hell. I guess you’re just in the standing room part.
Yeah. According to our teachings, we make it very hard for for people to qualify to be in hell. or whatever, however you define help. Yeah. And we believe that after you die, the soul departs the body. And then it spends depending on the person, six to 12 months going through sort of a spiritual carwash. And I’m sure there’s a few people that don’t even make it through the carwash, but because they’re just so unbelievably horrid, but for the most of us, I think we, we easily get into, into heaven.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. I think it’s a cleansing part of the process. It’s my understanding of up the next stage of your life, basically. So you don’t it’s funny how you don’t remember any people talking to you, or it’s strange, I think. I really think that we all have the capability of listening to whoever’s talking to us, but we’re not always. We’re not always present. To hear it. We hear it unconsciously. But it’s the conscious level that remembers, like, it’s the brain part. So possibly, you had it all, it’s just the conscious level you didn’t, you didn’t hear we we have another tradition that I find interesting is that before you’re born, an angel comes into the womb, and teaches you the entire Old Testament, and everything that goes along with it. And just before you’re about to be born, he gives you a little on the top of the list, and it hammers it into your subconscious or your unconscious. So you come out knowing all this stuff, but you need to learn have to learn how to access it. And the not sure what the right word is. If you ever see people when they’re really, really deep in thought, they’re often like playing on their upper lip is if they’re, you know, trying to press the button that will give them the access to that hidden knowledge.

So I don’t know how true this is or not, but it’s an interesting concept.
Especially when it looks at what happened to you, I think would also layers on this, for me, is having that stroke when I was born. I, I know I do have memory problems and other things that are manifested by stroke victims, and I have almost no visual memory, which creates its own set of problems. So even people I know very closely, I can see them walking towards me on the street, and I won’t recognize them. And till they speak, or I hear a fact about them or something like that. So that I don’t have these memories isn’t that surprising. But it’s still I do feel a little bit ripped off that I don’t have these memories to, to share with people. Because well, this sharing
guide you Yeah, and to help guide you, right? For sure. And they’re probably in there, but with your other issues that you have, it’s just not available to you.

Or it’s not available yet or I’m finding other ways to, to find to communicate my story and to help work with people. Things like that. So that was that was round one 2009 How much time do you have?

We have another half an hour I guess of so you have another at least 10 times of this, don’t you?

Yeah, so I can’t go through all of them individually, but I can go through the major sessions. So 2013 I was riding my bike, and I was having a really good bike ride because I bike riding was a huge part of my recovery exercise is very good for the brain. And then all of a sudden, I was having another one of these brain quakes and woke up on the ground in the middle of nowhere at this park. And I thought naively that this was you know, Just possibly, maybe some over exercising heatstroke. But then the pattern kept repeating, I was going through what I had gone through in 2009. And I ended up in the hospital a number of times, they couldn’t figure out what it was. And then finally, they figured out that one of the leads, the wires that go from the pacemaker to your heart had cracked. So it kept shorting out. And I was going through the same thing again, my heart kept stopping. And, and I was dead again. So my friend, Deanna calls me repeatedly dead, Fred, I wouldn’t have said that, I would have said, You’re a miracle, Fred.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. Yeah, that that happened after this hospital surgery, as well, the stuff called me the walking miracle. So they decided they had to replace the pacemaker. And they put me in surgery, and I didn’t realize that you’re, now they do this while you’re awake. They give you like locals and cut you open and everything. And I had severe anxiety going at night, I’d never have anxiety. And as they were cutting me open I started to have a brain quake. And I know I said, Oh, fuck, I’m gone. And then I flatlined on the table. And, again, I feel ripped off because I didn’t have that experience. But I got have the whole experience of of the crazy operating room scenario. And they ended up aborting the surgery. But they had to give me a temporary pacemaker, which they do through the groin. Now they do it for the wrist, I believe. But they didn’t have time to give me any antiseptic or anesthetic. So that was a very unpleasant experience getting spirit in the groin like that.

Oh, dear. I know when you faint, which I’ve done a multitude of times, I’m fainting, I would have thought would have been very similar to that. But fainting doesn’t feel very good when you go to faint. But when you come out of it, it’s beautiful. Feels like the best sleep that you’ve ever had. Except when you wake up and you hear all the commotion, and all the people surrounding you looking at you, are you there? Are you there, you know, wake up, wake up, it’s just too busy and too frantic. And the noise seems explicitly loud, like, like, you’re, you’re sensitive to the noise, when you wake up to it, it sounds louder than it actually is. In your head.

Yeah, you become hyper aware, because your body has all these wonderful mechanisms that are there to protect you. So it doesn’t know what’s going on around you. But it’s trying to, to shock you into being aware in case there’s other dangers that you have to know maybe there’s a brontosaurus about to eat, or something like that. So it makes you hyper aware to help you recover more quickly.

Yeah, that part scary, cuz it’s very loud. Yeah, then, of course, people are only trying to be helpful, but when they’re overtop of you, everything looks bigger and louder and more of when you when you wake up with something like that. So I can imagine what it was like in a cold operation room with a whole bunch of people in it.

Well, I forgot in the moment that when you go in for the surgery, they put these I call them pacing pads. So it’s electrical conductor, they put one on your chest or your ribs and one on your back in case something like this happens, and you really don’t think about how these things work until you experience them working. So when I because it’s shocking you that’s what it’s literally doing. It’s giving you a shock if you’ve ever had a you know, a small shock, you know, it’s not the most pleasant thing in the world. No, and I I sort of gained some awareness and then I was like, wow, what’s going on? Like, is somebody kicking me in the ribs like what’s going on here? And somebody said shut up. We’re trying to save your life. Yeah, the the bedside manner there was a little bit lacking And then it took me a while to realize that it was these pacing pads that were hitting me like every three quarters of a second to, to make my heartbeat.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. So even though they aborted the surgery and put in the temporary pacemaker, again, maybe that was my version of heaven. Yeah, to a degree, the constant shocks, I, then I still had to have my pacemaker replaced. So, but they couldn’t do it quickly, because I might have had an infection from when they put in the temporary pacemaker. So I was put on complete bed rest for a week, until they were sure I didn’t have an infection. I literally couldn’t move. Like it was. It was just an incredible experience. So and then we went for the replacement surgery. And I had a very stern meeting with the surgeons saying, you know, we’re not going to do this the same way, we’re not going to do that. And bla bla bla bla bla. And then when they tried to do the surgery, they found they didn’t have room to insert the new pacemaker lead. And so I kept passing out on the table, I’m guessing from exhaustion. And I’d wake up and they were on like, video conference calls with surgeons around the world, like how do we, how do we fix this like, and these surgeons at this hospital, they were, you know, world class at what they do. If they’re asking for help. That’s that’s not a good situation. But I guess my guys what’s going on here? I blurred out and we’re like, we’re trying to see life.
Not what you want to hear. You want to get oh, it’s it’s all fine. It’s all good.

Yeah. So eventually, they figured out how to how to get another pacemaker lead in, and they went to replace the old pacemaker. And they’ve ordered a different pacemaker size. So pacemakers are pretty tiny, like old pocket watches. And they go in a little pocket. And the one they ordered was too big for the pocket that the first pacemaker had been in. So they literally have to, like stick their hand and like, jam it in the space. Yeah. It’s just so bizarre. So maybe this was my help. I don’t know. It’s, is it good now? Um, no, no. I asked how much time do you have? So that that worked for a while.

And you said, you miraculously came through COVID. So yeah, that was that was this here. I got hammered really hard for about 10 days. I was so sick, I didn’t realize how sick I was. And, upon reflection, I probably should have been in the hospital. But I wasn’t. But I ran into one of the cardiac doctors, the hospital. And he’s the one who introduced intermittent fasting to his cardiac team. And I had a quick conversation with him and he said, If I hadn’t been doing intermittent fasting for the last three years, I probably would have died from the COVID. The fasting had so wrapped up my immune system and all these other functions of my body to prepare me for battle. And
that’s interesting comment.

I’m a moderator in a fasting group. I know this is a little off topic. And there’s probably about 350,000 members and the lady who runs the group, her name is Jin Stevens, New York Times bestseller. And just the information we know now about what happens when you fast and how it affects your body positively. It’s just mind boggling.
what your body can do, isn’t it? Yeah. And yes, it is a miracle.

The the doctor that I ran into said intermittent fasting is The best non medicinal tool we have in our bags these days, probably ever. So if you want to have another conversation about intermittent fasting, do that some other time?
Well, it’s helped you and that’s the main thing. Right? So. So we’re what would you say to people now then if you know what you’ve gone through to, with your journey to others,
I think the word unexpected doesn’t begin to cover it. You don’t plan for something like that, that’s for sure.

Yeah, I, the doctors told me I was like, a one in a billion event. And I had four of these one and a billion events. So you know, who’s gonna plan for something like that? I think we really need to have tough conversations with our families, and peer groups, about how we want things handled, or how they can help. If something like this happens, then granted, I’m at the really extreme end of things. But, but not necessarily like your friend who had COVID, who was in the hospital that you mentioned, perfectly healthy guy, and went into the hospital and was in a coma for almost six months. And he also saw a woman in a long flowing dress. So I know, I had lucid dreams and hallucinations when I had my COVID boat. And he saw a woman appear out of o’clock on his wall, or so he thinks because and that she would have conversations with him.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. So And what was his issue? Do you know, by any chance? Like was it lungs? Was it capacity of breathing? Pneumonia?
Actually, I’ve never asked him, but I’m guessing that’s why because he was on a ventilator, he was on a trach tube.
But six months, that’s a long time to have someone pay your bills and know where everything is, if you don’t know.
And, and his family also has some significant business interests. But he was the main guy. Nobody else in the family knew where to start with with picking things up.

Yeah, that makes it super difficult. And I don’t want that for anybody. And that’s why, you know, your backup plan app helps people get that better prepared. Because you don’t expect something and you’ve been single. That has a big ramification to it as well, because who knows where all of your stuff is who has an extra key to your apartment or your house? And who knows where the garage key is? And the shed key? And do you have cats or dogs? Or what medical, if not all of us have our medical at one doctor or at one hospital. So that is also issues because you might be visiting somewhere else, and they don’t have access to your medical history.
So you have seven doctors?

That’s a lot. That’s a lot. Yeah.

So and, you know, they don’t talk to each other unless I really force the issue. You know, they’ll they’ll share notes. But really, doctors would spend their entire lives just reading other doctors notes. They don’t look at them until they think they need to. Which is one of the reasons we have big gaps in our medical system.
But where were you worried about your stuff, so to speak? Were you worried that you know, maybe you had a little bit organized but because it’s these life changing events that make us realize that something different could happen to the end result?

Well, I really downsized my life. After 2009 I got rid of a lot of stuff and you know, living in small apartments and things like that. So, as I mentioned to you before, my brother is a lawyer, so, you know, he’s quite aware of a lot of this stuff that has to be done. He took that over from my parents now for my mom, my sister’s a nurse, so you know, she’s my go to person on my my medical stuff. But I have no family here, but I am blessed with an incredible set of friends and community that can step in by You know, getting into the finer details of your life. Even knowing your own life, you never know all the finer details, and there’s always something that’s going to be overlooked. So I think something like your app that can help consolidate everything, and you have an assessable. Yeah, the 35,000 foot view. And, you know, start taking it down more towards ground level, that’d be a tremendous asset to anybody.

Well, and I, I always say, because you had mentioned about your friend who had COVID, in a coma for six months, and, you know, I feel so bad because it doesn’t have to be that difficult. If you were organized beforehand, it there’s nothing difficult about the process. It’s just people need to do it. And that’s the issue. So do you know what happened in the end, like, because his wife would have had to look after everything, and not knowing where anything is, is the problem. And I know, a single people, it’s a big issue as well. Because you don’t always want to relay all these details to someone. And it’s nice to have it in a secret place, just in case you need to pull it out of your back pocket.

Well, I’ve had some long conversations with, with my family, about my situation. And, you know, because of this all happened to me, and I haven’t worked for 12 years now, which were your, you know, supposedly your prime earning years, you know, my assets have certainly taken a hit. So my situation isn’t that complicated beyond, you know, where do I want to be buried? Yeah, at this point, because you have arrests looked after. But having the financial background that’s absolutely helped you with your family as well to having a lawyer and a nurse, to, to uncomplicate matters, but and then I was I was a financial planner for a number of years.

CLINICALLY DEAD A DOZEN TIMES. So it was my father, now have an MBA in finance. So I have a pretty good understanding of how most of these systems work. But, you know, the average person doesn’t know. And your every situation, of course, is different to and who knows what the family’s going to do and fight about, you know, there’s, I had an Italian family who was seven. And they had talked about the single brother who had gone in a coma as well in the hospital, and everyone was fighting about who was going to do what? Imagine, like, just as simple as that. Fighting over, how do you get into his apartment? Where are his accounts to pay? Who’s gonna look after that? Who’s, you know, who’s gonna do all these different things? It’s a lot of burden on the friends and family.

Absolutely. And I think especially in our current times, when, when people are more polarized than normal, you know, whether it be because of social media or whatever. I think the infighting is is going to be even worse than it has been. Because people are just primed to fight about anything right now.
Yes. Not sure why. outrage. I think Joe Rogan, the podcaster comedian, he called it they’re in a state of recreational outrage, like being outraged as their hobby.

Like the new mommy. Yeah.
It’s terrible. But that’s, yeah, that’s what’s going on.
Exactly. Well, I’m sure I’m gonna have you on again, because there’s so much more to talk about 10, especially when she get your book up and running. That will be really, really interesting. To hear how you put that together, it’d be. It’d be lovely. If you could come back. For that love to. I think I’m going to end up doing a Kickstarter for that. So
that’d be nice. I will link your information that you want me to hand out down below for any listeners that want to find out where you are at how to contact you. I will put that in the description box below as well.

Did you have any final Yeah, down somewhere there. Did you have any final notes for our listeners for what you wanted to leave them with?
Attitude is is everything. It’s our superpower. that we don’t access often enough. And if you only look at the downsides of things, it’s going to keep pulling you down. And when you go through a traumatic incident, I know it’s easy to get down on yourself, especially if you’ve had a traumatic brain injury. And that depression can sit in. But for the most part, we do control our thoughts. And if you think happy, it’s going to make a world of difference for you.
Oh, that’s beautiful. That’s it brings back my memory of I did a little scary Halloween skit last night. And I was trying to be scary, a scary witch. And it only lasted for a few seconds, because I was. I found it so funny after when it all came out. So attitude is everything. Because I found that I couldn’t be scary for very long.

Yeah, it’s hard to go against your nature. Yeah, it is. Except I find myself laughing at the end. So maybe it will help other people laugh too, as well. So it’s all good, right?

Yeah. And an early Happy Halloween.
Yes, everybody. Happy Halloween. And it’ll be Christmas before the podcast is out. Tim, it’ll be Christmas time before we know it. And that that’s just going to be here upon us before we realize that I think it seems like everything goes fast in COVID. Doesn’t it seems like everything is super fast.
I think again, it’s like when your experience when you started to wake up from the faint. COVID has made us hyper focus on our lives. Some in good ways, and some are not so good ways. But we’ve were so insulated from everything else that it just seems. We’re just moving very, very quickly.

Yeah, it does. Well, thank you, Fred.

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My pleasure. Thanks for having me. You’re welcome.

Thanks for everybody listening, or watching and stay happy.
Yes, that’s for sure. Stay happy, stay safe and be kind. Thank you everybody till the next show. Bye for now. Bye

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